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Post  Scott Salzer on Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:38 pm

What size band saws are you guys using to carve your decoys? I was looking at a cheap one from Craftsman and it said that it will cut up to 4 5/8". That doesn't seem thick enough to rough cut a decoy, to me. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance -Scott

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Post  Davey Welsh on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:03 pm

Scott, you'll have to buy a bandsaw that can support a riser kit. Grizzy industry makes the most popular bandsaws and risers.

Here is their riser kit -

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Riser-Block-Kit-for-G0555/H3051

If you want to buy a cheaper bandsaw other than the Grizzly, check out the Rigid 14" bandsaw, which is compatible with the riser kit above.

http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/14inch-Band-Saw/en/index.htm

I have the Rigid bandsaw and I like it. It does nice work. Its not as heavy duty as the Grizzly and I think the Grizzly is a better built product, but I paid a lot less for the Rigid than you would for the Grizzly. The biggest thing about the Rigid, is it tends to vibrate a bit. It hasn't affected my decoy work, but the Grizzly runs smoother. I bought the Rigid on sale at Home Depot. Opened a Home Depot credit card and got like 50 or 100 bucks off...can't remember.

You want to get a saw that is compatible with the riser kit. I don't know of any other companies that make a riser kit big enough for decoy work, so that is why I went with the Grizzly riser kit and actually somebody else told me that the Rigid saw was compatible with that.

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Post  Scott Salzer on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:12 pm

Thanks Davey, that helps alot. -Scott

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Post  Capt. Larry M on Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:51 pm

Harbor Frieght has one too but good luck getting the riser block in a timely fashion
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Post  Davey Welsh on Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:12 pm

Capt. Larry M wrote:Harbor Frieght has one too but good luck getting the riser block in a timely fashion

When I ordered mine from Grizzly I had it within a week. I also order my blades from there and they ship pretty quick.

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Post  george w on Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:35 am

i have been using an old Craftsman 12" bandsaw since forever---The thing you have to learn to do with it is ADAPT, and by that, learn a few different ways to cut materials. One thing i have learned over time is to ALWAYS keep a new blade handy and to keep the blade sharp longer i keep it slightly waxed. Since it is apt to dull due to friction, i turn on the machine and hold two candles to the sides of the blade, pressing slightly, to allow some of the wax to transfer to the blade's surface---Seems to keep things sharper longer. DULL blades cause problems. You don't have to spend a pile for a good saw, just use a common sense approach when sawing. Very Happy


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Post  Scott Salzer on Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:02 am

George - This may seem like a dumb question but, how can you cut the blocks when that saw can't even cut material 5" thick?

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Post  Davey Welsh on Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:37 am

Scott Salzer wrote:George - This may seem like a dumb question but, how can you cut the blocks when that saw can't even cut material 5" thick?

I'd like to know that too George. How do you cutout your side profile? You need like 8" of clearance for puddlers.

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Post  george w on Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:16 am

Davey, that is a jedi mystery that i will share with you when you come to the dungeon..Be mindful, i am left handed, my old shop teacher in junior high would not allow me to use power stuff because he figured that by being a leftie, i would surely cause great harm to come to myself.. Since noone taught me that i could NOT do certain things with the saw, i found that by working smart and safe i COULD do them..
Ed Lewandowski, who posts here, has seen me work, and he can vouch that i use only the 12 inch Craftsman for everything--I can rough even speck bodies with it. The proces needs to be seen to be appreciated!! Very Happy
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YouTube of George Doing the Side Cut-out

Post  Ed Lewandowski on Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:16 pm

With George's permission, I'll post a video I took of him from two years ago in which he demonstrates how he completes the side cutout for a mallard using his 12" bandsaw.

George: That work for you???
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Post  george w on Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:53 pm

Ed, hae at it---you might want to post the carving a bill thing!!

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Post  Ed Lewandowski on Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:49 pm

Video of George can be accessed at http://youtu.be/Gs9jm-BehOc

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Post  Capt. Larry M on Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:01 pm

nice George, you need hell of alot of practice to do it that way thats for sure looks like it comes very natural
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Post  Davey Welsh on Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:01 am

That is crazy! I'd be missing a few fingers for sure. I actually used the bandsaw to rough cut a few cedar blocks...what George does is NOT easy!! But you can tell he's a seasoned pro...he runs that bandsaw like its nothing.

Scott, I'd recommend a saw with a riser...if you want to keep your 10 fingers. Laughing

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Post  Scott Salzer on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:38 am

Scott, I'd recommend a saw with a riser...if you want to keep your 10 fingers
Uhm...yea, that's sort of what I was thinking after watching that video. Thanks a bunch for posting that up! affraid

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Post  george w on Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:47 am

guys, when i got the saw, i recognized its limitations, so, the only thing to do was adapt! Even when i started doing all that cutting, the prime thought was safety--Sharp blades don't bind! It certainly has made me stay focused when working, that's for sure. It also helps to be left handed, as i noted earlier---seems to just work fine, for me, Shocked anyway...Ed has done it, too. You can also build a jig for cutting--If you got to www.runamuckdecoys.com
check the info toward bottom of the first page--Mike Smyser has left a demo of how to do a jig for a specific deke--Especially helpful for tail inserts in cork.


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Post  Scott Salzer on Wed Feb 22, 2012 10:52 am

Does anyone have any experience with Reliant band saws? I.E. will it accept a riser kit? I've read they are kind of low quality but may be ok for carving a few decoys. There is one on Craigslist. Opinions?

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Post  Davey Welsh on Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:17 pm

Scott Salzer wrote:Does anyone have any experience with Reliant band saws? I.E. will it accept a riser kit? I've read they are kind of low quality but may be ok for carving a few decoys. There is one on Craigslist. Opinions?

Not familiar with that one Scott. My advice would be to get a good one that will last a long time.

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Post  Scott Salzer on Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:22 pm

That's what I'm thinking. Im leaning towards the Grizzly.

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Post  Capt. Larry M on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:00 pm

Scott Salzer wrote:That's what I'm thinking. Im leaning towards the Grizzly.

Scott where are you located I know of a new delta 14" that is for sale
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Post  Scott Salzer on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:11 pm

North jersey but I am willing to travel if the price is right.

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Post  Capt. Larry M on Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:13 pm

Scott Salzer wrote:North jersey but I am willing to travel if the price is right.

send me your # Ill get you in touch with a guy with a nice bandsaw
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Post  Davey Welsh on Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:16 pm

Capt. Larry M wrote:
Scott Salzer wrote:North jersey but I am willing to travel if the price is right.

send me your # Ill get you in touch with a guy with a nice bandsaw

Awesome! Exactly why I created this site! Thanks Larry. Wink

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Post  Scott Salzer on Sat Feb 25, 2012 3:51 pm

Scott where are you located I know of a new delta 14" that is for sale
Larry, I pulled the trigger on this saw! Now I need a riser block and 105" blade. What size and t.p.i. blade should I get?

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Post  Davey Welsh on Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:02 pm

Scott Salzer wrote:
Scott where are you located I know of a new delta 14" that is for sale
Larry, I pulled the trigger on this saw! Now I need a riser block and 105" blade. What size and t.p.i. blade should I get?

You can get the riser and blade at Grizzly. You want a 1/4" blade for decoy work. 3/8" is too big for making detailed cuts. As far as tpi, I'm not sure what mine is.

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