Probe Length on E-Collars

Capt. Larry M wrote:Davey if you would like you can come over to see my collection of Ribbons be happy to show you. let me just give you annalogy. I have a $3k camera I dont know anything about using it by I have one, for me to come on here and profess that I know something about photography would be foolish naturally I would defer to you an accomplished photographer like yourself. I have been training for a few years now and like anything else its an apprenticeship. When you learn and train with some of the top amateur trainers in the east you pick up a thing or two. Is my dog a "well trained retriever" by no means to have a well trained retriever you need to be out training 5 days a week between work, having 3 young children and running a guide service time is slim, so I don't even try to compete in field trials.

I know who has helped you along and trains with you and I am sure that they have taught you alot, that's a good group but until you have taken a dog thru basics and then transition and expect your dog to perform at a high level you will eventually understand the need to run with a collar. But if you are happy with a dog that makes 20yd to 50yd retrieves in optimal conditions on singles then more power to you, there is nothing wrong with that. But if you want a dog to work at high level doing 200 to 350 yd blind retireves on open water then you need a collar.

But if you are happy with a dog that makes 20yd to 50yd retrieves in optimal conditions on singles then more power to you